Cassie Nell White
1925 - 18 JAN1960
Generation: 1
Generation: 3
Generation: 4
1. Cassie Nell White was born on 8 Dec 1925 in Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky (daughter of Lucian Carmichael White and Elsie Carr); died in 18 JAN1960 in Knox County, Kentucky; was buried in Barbourville Cemetery, Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky. Notes:
Birth:
MHR note: Mildred (Mrs. Claude White) said the year of birth was 1924.
Died:
MHR note: Virus Pneumonia
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15423420/cassie-nell-white
2. Lucian Carmichael White was born on 1 Mar 1894 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky (son of Horatio Seymour White and Cassandra Florence Hamm); died on 1 Aug 1987 in Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana; was buried in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana. Other Events:
- _MILT: World War I. US Army.
- Census: 1930, Heidrick, Knox County, Kentucky
- Census: 1940, Knox County, Kentucky
Notes:
If it’s an assembly-line instrument you want, don’t go to Lucian White
Retired woodworker is fussy about his dulcimers
By Wayne Arnst, Tribune Staff Writer
A number of folks back in his home state of “Kentuck” made dulcimers (or dulcimores) so instructions Lucian White, 1019 1/2 10th Ave. SW, saw in a woodworking magazine on how to construct one looked simple enough to him.
“I just love to work with wood,” the 86-year-old said. “When God made trees for us, that was the greatest gift we ever had, by golly.
“That plastic stuff make me tired to look at it!”
The dulcimer has three or four or more strings – banjo strings (G, G, and C), White explained.
He said the original dulcimers were three-string instruments, although later models have four strings or as many as the player requests. He prefers the basic three-string model.
White’s woodworking shop in Great Falls is much smaller than the Kentucky mill at which he worked for so many years. And many of the tools he uses for making a dulcimer are homemade. His equipment includes a power sander made from a 1/2-inch drill he got at a rummage sale, spoke shaves to serve as planes for rounded surfaces, a scroll saw and numerous hand tools. He uses carpenter glue when necessary.
It it’s an assembly-line musical instrument that people want, Lucian White would not be the person to ask. It’s true that modern dulcimers may be a little more polished more sophisticated, than White’s. (He uses hardwood, some of which comes from old packing crates.) But, it the buyer wants tradition – a craftsman’s dulcimer made by a man who has worked with wood for 74 years – then a White dulcimer will undoubtedly be the conversation piece he is after.
White, who has made a dozen of the instruments, has given most of them away and has two for sale at Kops Music Mart in Westgate shopping center. “I would take orders if people want,” he said.
The dulcimer is placed on the player’s lap and plucked with a turkey quill, or a piece of plastic if you’re not fussy, and is used to accompany folksingers or just for listening. The not string is played by pressing a wooden peg near the frets.
White doesn’t play the instrument himself.
“Haven’t had time to learn how to play ‘em. Too busy makin’ ‘em,” he said.
White suggested that person wanting to know more details about the dulcimer get a copy of “The Dulcimer Book” by Jean Ritchie.
This explains her search for its origins and history, how to tune the instrument and includes some Kentucky folk songs to be accompanied by dulcimers.
White said he was born in the Cumberland Mountains near Morehead, Kentucky in 1894 in an area settled by the English, Scots and Germans.
His Scottish grandfather “was a timberman, an expert with an ax. Had a reputation for being able to split a hair on a broadax,” White said.
The timber industry today complains about a depressed housing market but, back when his grandfather was cutting poplar trees to build cabins, things were really booming, White said.
The trees were 18 inches at the butt, 12 inches at the top and it was 50 feet up to the first branch, White said. His grandfather would make a house pattern of logs, 24 feet long by 20 feet wide, enough to build a log cabin. He’s finish the entire job in about a week for $1.25 and then the neighbors would hold a house raising and dance on a Saturday. White figures that $1.25 would be worth about $75 today.
The Kentucky hills and its people, especially his grandmother Vianna Hamm, are what White likes to talk about most. “Oh,” he exclaimed, “every boy should have a grandmother like that to tell him stories.”
It was right after the Civil War when the southern general John Hunt Morgan paid his last visit to White’s grandmother’s hunting lodge, White said. Morgan used to come there before the war for recreation and hunting and White’s grandparent’s hospitality.
Grandfather Hamm had gotten a land grant to run the lodge and the area was excellent for hunting fox, white-tailed deer and the like. Also had good fishing, White said.
Well Morgan was one of those generals who never did surrender. He became leader of an outlaw band and would ride in, steal horses and loot a place at the drop of a hat. If there wasn’t any loot worth having or he met resistance in taking it, he’d have his men set all the buildings on fire.
When they came riding into his grandmother’s after her husband had died, she was down in a cellar along, White said. The outlaws were bent on stealing the horses from the corral but were unable to get them out. “For some reason the horses just ran around in the corral making a commotion.”
His grandmother ran up from the cellar and accosted the outlaws by herself. White said “John Hunt Morgan!” she shouted at the former general. “Is this the tanks you give me for slaving over a hot cookstove while you were out hunting?
Morgan just looked down from his big horse and motioned for his men to close the gate. “Come on boys,” he said. “her horse never were any good.” And they rode off.
White said that, without an education, he started work at 12 years of age wheeling sawdust from a mill where wagon wheel spokes were made.
“working my way up and was making $3 a day and could read and write a little,” he said. “Better than an education in those days.”
White served in the Army World War I. He joined up and wanted to become an engineer. “They stripped me naked and set me down with a bunch of other fellas on a cold floor,” he said and told us it’s not what you want – it’s what we want.”
“They made a cook out of me. I never got out of Kentucky.”
He didn’t get out of Kentucky until 1949. He came to Montana because of his wife Elsie.
They were married in 1921. “She wanted to come home every two years,” White said. “Couldn’t keep paying for all those round-trip tickets so I came with her.” They made several trips to Montana to visit her parents before White retired in 1954 and they moved here to stay.
Elsie was born and raised east of Cascade, daughter of Nellie and Basil Carr. Her uncle was T.W. Minton. White’s boss at the Bourbourville, Ky., mill.
When T.W. returned to Kentucky from a Montana horse-buying trip in 1919, he brought Elsie and her two sisters with him, White said. “He was showin’ ‘em off around the mill and this big falla asked me, ‘What da you think o’ them chickens the boss brought back?’”
“Well,” White said, “I’d fell in love with Elsie the minute she walked in. I told that fella to keep his looks off that little gal with the blue eyes ‘cause that was the one I was gonna marry.
“I worried her for about two years and finally married her,” he said.
Great Falls Tribune, Great Falls, Montana. Sunday, 20 April 1980. Section F, page 1.
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38929169/lucian-carmichael-whiteLucian married Elsie Carr on 11 Sep 1921 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky. Elsie (daughter of Basil P. Carr and Ellen Bartlette "Nellie" Minton) was born on 4 Jul 1899 in Cascade County, Montana; died on 10 Oct 1998 in Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana; was cremated in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
3. Elsie Carr was born on 4 Jul 1899 in Cascade County, Montana (daughter of Basil P. Carr and Ellen Bartlette "Nellie" Minton); died on 10 Oct 1998 in Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana; was cremated in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana. Notes:
ELSIE MARIE CARR WHITE, 99, passed away October 10, 1998 in the Benefits Hospital in Great Falls, Montana. She came to Kentucky in 1919 to attend Union College and to work for her uncle, T.W. MINTON at the Minton Hickory Lumber Mills, in Artemus. She married LUCIAN C. WHITE on September 16, 1921. Funeral services were held October 12 in Great Falls. Burial followed in Cascade, Montana.
Elsie Marie White
Elsie Marie White (Carr), 99, of 2621 15th Ave. S., a retired homemaker, died of natural causes Saturday at a local nursing home.
Her funeral is 3:30 p.m. Monday at Croxford & Sons Funeral Home, with cremation following the service.
She was born July 4, 1899, in Cascade, and attended Great Falls High School.
In 1921 she married Lucian White in Louisville, Ky. He died in 1984.
She was a member of the Westside Methodist Church and enjoyed homemaking and gardening.
Survivors include a son, Charles White, of Frisco, Colo.; five grandchildren and eight great-grandchildren.
In addition to her husband, she was preceded in death by a daughter, Cassie Nell, and a son, Minton White.
Great Falls Tribune, Great Falls, Montana. Sunday, 11 October 1998.
Mr. and Mrs. Lucian White and children, Cassie Nell and Charles, are here from Barbourville, Ky., to spend the summer visiting Mrs. White’s parents, Mr. and Mrs. Basil Carr, 816 Third avenue southwest, and the George Murphy ranch near Cascade.
Great Falls Tribune, Great Falls, Montana. Saturday, 10 July 1948.
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38929165/elsie-marie-whiteChildren:
- Minton Carr White was born on 29 Oct 1922 in Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky; died on 5 Feb 1924 in Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky; was buried on 6 Feb 1924 in Barbourville Cemetery, Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky.
- 1. Cassie Nell White was born on 8 Dec 1925 in Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky; died in 18 JAN1960 in Knox County, Kentucky; was buried in Barbourville Cemetery, Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky.
Generation: 3
4. Horatio Seymour White was born on 11 Nov 1870 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky (son of Robert L. White and Barbara Swim); died on 8 Jun 1934 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky. Other Events:
- Census: 1910, Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky
- Census: 1920, Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky
- Census: 1930, Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky
Notes:
Birth:
MHR gave birth date an 6 November 1870
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/23925374/horatio-seymore-whiteHoratio married Cassandra Florence Hamm on 9 Nov 1895 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky. Cassandra (daughter of George Johnson Hamm and Vianna Jane Hedges) was born on 8 Dec 1872 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 26 Aug 1966 in Morehead, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
5. Cassandra Florence Hamm was born on 8 Dec 1872 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky (daughter of George Johnson Hamm and Vianna Jane Hedges); died on 26 Aug 1966 in Morehead, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky. Notes:
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/23925095/cassandra-florence-whiteChildren:
- 2. Lucian Carmichael White was born on 1 Mar 1894 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 1 Aug 1987 in Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana; was buried in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana.
- Ulmont Ulvesford White was born on 28 Mar 1896 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 9 Mar 1979 in Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky; was buried in Barbourville Cemetery, Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky.
- Virgil Bryan "Dick" White was born on 14 Mar 1898 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 30 Aug 1980 in Rock Fork, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried in Blanton-White Cemetery, Rock Fork, Rowan County, Kentucky.
- Herman Beckham White was born on 12 May 1901 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 9 Jun 1911 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried on 10 Jun 1911 in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky.
- Hatton Lewis White was born on 20 Mar 1902 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 1 May 1983 in Lexington, Fayette County, Kentucky; was buried in Barbourville Cemetery, Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky.
- John Bridges White was born on 26 Apr 1905 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 4 Dec 1978; was buried in Barbourville Cemetery, Barbourville, Knox County, Kentucky.
- Willie Clifton White was born on 15 Jun 1906 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 17 Mar 1909 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky.
- Charles Franklin White was born on 7 Jun 1910 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 27 Jun 1975 in Lexington, Fayette County, Kentucky; was buried in Blanton-White Cemetery, Rock Fork, Rowan County, Kentucky.
- Claude Jesse White was born on 2 Jan 1914 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 30 Mar 1989 in Nevada County, California; was buried in Sierra Memorial Lawn Cemetery, Nevada City, Nevada County, California.
6. Basil P. Carr was born in Jun 1872 in Pennsylvania; died on 7 Aug 1958 in Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana; was buried in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana. Other Events:
- Census: 1900, Truly, Cascade County, Montana
- Census: 1910, Orr, Cascade County, Montana
- Census: 1930, Schrammeck Lake, Cascade County, Montana
Notes:
Carr - Basil P. Carr, 86, Rte. 2 SW., died Thursday at a local hospital. Funeral services Monday at 2 p.m. at the West Side Methodist Church, the Rev. John H. Ristow officiating. Burial in Castner Falls Cemetery. Body at the George Co.
The Great Falls Leader, Great Falls, Montana. Friday, 8 August 1958.
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38928565/basil-porter-carrBasil married Ellen Bartlette "Nellie" Minton. Ellen was born in 1863 in Ohio; died on 1 Feb 1959 in Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana; was buried in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
7. Ellen Bartlette "Nellie" Minton was born in 1863 in Ohio; died on 1 Feb 1959 in Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana; was buried in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana. Notes:
Last Rites Held For Mrs. Carr, 96
The funeral of Mrs. Nellie Carr, 96, widow of Basil P. Carr, was held this afternoon from the West Side Methodist Church, with the Rev. John H. Ristow officiating. Burial was in the Castner Falls Cemetery.
Pallbearers were Logan W. Hurlbert, Mervin Juelfs, John Bateman St., Willis Powell, Robert Farmer and Harold Randall, all members of the official board of the West Side Methodist Church.
Mrs. Carr, who died Sunday, was born in Ohio and came to Montana in 1890 to teach in the Truly area. She and Carr were married in 1895 and farmed at Flat Creek until moving to Great Falls several years ago to live with a son-in-law and daughter, Mr. and Mrs. Lucian White, Rte. 1 SW. Carr died Aug. 7.
The Great Falls Leader, Great Falls, Montana. Thursday, 5 February 1959.
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/38928583/ellen-bartlette-carrChildren:
- 3. Elsie Carr was born on 4 Jul 1899 in Cascade County, Montana; died on 10 Oct 1998 in Great Falls, Cascade County, Montana; was cremated in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana.
- Burns Woodbury Carr was born on 18 Sep 1897 in Montana; died on 29 Jan 1932 in Cascade, Cascade County, Montana; was buried in Castner Falls Cemetery, Cascade County, Montana.
Generation: 4
8. Robert L. White was born in 1844 in Kentucky (son of John D. White and Elizabeth Hamm); died on 12 May 1911 in Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried on 13 May 1911 in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky. Other Events:
- Census: 1870, Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky
- Census: 1880, Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky
Notes:
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/21499782/robert-l-whiteRobert married Barbara Swim. Barbara was born in 1834 in Kentucky; died on 27 Nov 1911 in Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
9. Barbara Swim was born in 1834 in Kentucky; died on 27 Nov 1911 in Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky. Notes:
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15924955/barbary-ellen-whiteChildren:
- 4. Horatio Seymour White was born on 11 Nov 1870 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 8 Jun 1934 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky.
10. George Johnson Hamm was born on 4 May 1808 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 10 Sep 1880 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky. Other Events:
- Occupation: farmer
- Census: 1870, Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky
- Census: 1880, Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky
George married Vianna Jane Hedges on 11 Sep 1861 in Rowan County, Kentucky. Vianna (daughter of William Ribelin Hedges and Malinda Russell Cassity) was born on 4 May 1828 in Fleming County, Kentucky; died on 24 Jan 1911 in Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried on 24 Jan 1911 in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
11. Vianna Jane Hedges was born on 4 May 1828 in Fleming County, Kentucky (daughter of William Ribelin Hedges and Malinda Russell Cassity); died on 24 Jan 1911 in Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried on 24 Jan 1911 in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky. Other Events:
- Census: 1860, Rowan County, Kentucky
- Census: 1910, Pine Grove, Rowan County, Kentucky
Notes:
Story about Vianna in her grandson Lucian White's notes from newspaper article about Lucian's skills making dulcimer.
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The Kentucky hills and its people, especially his grandmother Vianna Hamm, are what White likes to talk about most. “Oh,” he exclaimed, “every boy should have a grandmother like that to tell him stories.”
It was right after the Civil War when the southern general John Hunt Morgan paid his last visit to White’s grandmother’s hunting lodge, White said. Morgan used to come there before the war for recreation and hunting and White’s grandparent’s hospitality.
Grandfather Hamm had gotten a land grant to run the lodge and the area was excellent for hunting fox, white-tailed deer and the like. Also had good fishing, White said.
Well Morgan was one of those generals who never did surrender. He became leader of an outlaw band and would ride in, steal horses and loot a place at the drop of a hat. If there wasn’t any loot worth having or he met resistance in taking it, he’d have his men set all the buildings on fire.
When they came riding into his grandmother’s after her husband had died, she was down in a cellar along, White said. The outlaws were bent on stealing the horses from the corral but were unable to get them out. “For some reason the horses just ran around in the corral making a commotion.”
His grandmother ran up from the cellar and accosted the outlaws by herself. White said “John Hunt Morgan!” she shouted at the former general. “Is this the tanks you give me for slaving over a hot cookstove while you were out hunting?
Morgan just looked down from his big horse and motioned for his men to close the gate. “Come on boys,” he said. “her horse never were any good.” And they rode off.
* * *
Great Falls Tribune, Great Falls, Montana. Sunday, 20 April 1980. Section F, page 1.
Buried:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185123536/vianna-jane-ham/hamm
Unmarked graveChildren:
- Amelia Helena Hamm was born on 5 Jul 1862 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 24 Jan 1929 in Corbin, Whitley County, Kentucky; was buried in Hart Cemetery, Corbin, Whitley County, Kentucky.
- Malinda Roberta "Berta" Hamm was born on 25 Jan 1865 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 28 Aug 1924 in Frankfort, Franklin County, Kentucky; was buried in Frankfort Cemetery, Frankfort, Franklin County, Kentucky.
- 5. Cassandra Florence Hamm was born on 8 Dec 1872 in Triplett, Rowan County, Kentucky; died on 26 Aug 1966 in Morehead, Rowan County, Kentucky; was buried in Pine Grove Cemetery, Cranston, Rowan County, Kentucky.